Without further ado, Zzyzx writes in to provide a very detailed account of things that transpired between Betty the Bitch and himself:
Dear Jewish Guy,
I thought about making my own blog and putting this up but I feel as though it'd serve better here. Why you may ask? I would just feel it'd serve better here than to publish my own blog and risk having it reported. I feel this would happen. Whatever you're doing, you know those ropes. I don't. I would ask if you wouldn't mind publishing this for my sake and that of Linda's since you seem to understand where we're coming from with this whole Ben business.
I will share the screen captures of the messages from someone called unbetty and outline how the conversation went on my end since she had somehow reported my messages to her as they could not be found in my outbox anymore.
This will no doubt be long so I hope that's o.k.
Ben Caesar. Troll. Stalking folks on all these boards and forums. Having help doxxing folks and posting it all on his various blogs. Enter our little forum. We have been systematically battling this troll for a little over a year. There was a real stalker who followed one of our members from site to site to harass and troll that member. That member also reported the troll and its socks to the staff at Imdb. In return, they punished her.
Ben shows up with about 10 different ids. He creates about 10 at a time at all these sites. That way he has back ups. This was proven when our admin posted the ip and fake email methods he was using. This matched the initial stalker's intent back in early 2015.
During all this time we've been abused, stalked, threatened, libeled (one of our members libeled publicly by staff) and harassed almost on a daily basis. Linda found a link where this Johnny on the Spot was talking about getting the police involved as you have posted on your blog showing all of that. When Linda, our moderator reached out to this person, it seemed as though they were on the same page of wanting to get Ben to answer to the law for his cyber bullying and threats.
Well as you see and as it's posted in your blogger here, this "Johnny" person immediately started wailing on Linda. Out of the blue. No rhyme or reason for it. Just a very shocking thing as it wasn't expected and Linda had no idea why she was being addressed as Pinky or Giddy and really had no idea why this same person who had talked about contacting the police against Ben was suddenly waving his flag and cursing out someone who thought of Ben as a vile and nasty troll. Linda then received emails from this "Johnny" person who it turns out is unbetty after all stating that her emails and account picture etc were going to be published on Ben's blogger. Linda honestly thought it meant this blog here. It was another blog that Ben created and published all of her emails to and from unbetty. Betty continued to bully Linda about everything.
Moments later, Linda was receiving threats from Ben Caesar himself. Ben not only posted what information that unbetty GAVE to Ben, but she had Ben send threats to Linda that ranged from beating her up and raping her in the street. There were no less than around 45 emails from Ben like this. Unbetty sat back and soaked on all this grief she was causing for Linda. A woman who had reached out to her to help put a stop to Ben. Ben also tried to add her on her Google+ account. Linda blocked him (thanks to Jewish Guy's advice on how to do that).
Linda is still receiving threats occasionally. Asking her for her pictures. Some emails contain verbal abuse accusing her of being someone named Ebony and something about Asians. Linda is Asian-American. Linda also read those comments that unbetty left on Ben's blogs. The nonsense about her google+ account not being real, etc. Linda had her gmail account long before google+ was a thing. Since around 2002. The only reason that Linda states as having a google+ was to keep in her circles the anti-bullying contacts she has and someone with the movie industry named Dan. She also received emails from Imdb gloating about her name being featured on Ben's blogs. She asked them to remove her name from them. She was threatened again with violence.
O.k. now I am speaking of my own personal experience with this "Betty". I did not know this was the same person that Linda had dealt with prior. Some events went down. Other folks I know were hacked. I spoke with a BJK to forward an email for Chris. BJK is not Betty. Not this Betty. At least that is my own view on that matter. I want to believe this, so I guess I'm telling myself these are two separate individuals. I just cannot see BJK as being malicious in any way. Chris assured me this was NOT the same person. He knows BJK much better than I so.... I'll take his word for it.
I will mention though that "unbetty" and the widespread grief she has caused and the doubt, mistrust and discord she brings with her, just makes me all the more nervous and afraid. I even wrote to Col last night with a very real fear he would do something terrible to me like has happened with others.
I'd also like to mention that Linda is not nor ever was on Imdb.
So I don't know unbetty is the same Johnny person Linda had encountered. I looked into the soapbox board and I saw trolling like it was going out of style. I knew this was one of Ben's territories. I read a post by this unbetty person where she said she had reported him and that sooner or later she would have him perma-banned from Imdb. So I contacted her and asked her if she knew who Ben really was, as I had other information regarding his whereabouts and I was hoping that maybe we could all get together and put our heads together to get him banned permanently. However as it turns out, this is not Betty's intention at all. She wants this guy around. On a leash perhaps? What I believe we are witnessing here is nothing more than a woman scorned and someone who is very obsessed with him and wants to show him she will always have the upper hand while she conducts what is posted on his bloggers. As a way to keep any other woman (or man) from being on Ben's good side.
Which I'm sure does not exist.
Here is the side of the conversation with unbetty. Unfortunately I cannot provide my end of it as she had my letters removed, but will reproduce here to the best of my abilities. I do remember what I said.
I asked Do you know who this Ben really is? and my question was regarding his real name as it was posted at Hack Forums and gotten by word of others who are talking with someone from there who is also against Ben.
Then the reply
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur23292618/boards/pm/?d=14451767;m=in
As you see, sounds as if this Betty is someone who detests Ben and wants him gotten rid of. So I'm thinking o.k. we are on the same page here. Maybe a plan to find out who all is helping him might work to get him banned since she was the one posting about it, despite her letter here saying that nothing can be done right now.
I replied back letting her know that Ben is a friend to some hackers on Hack Forums, who are responsible for all this grief. That they do help him stalk folks from all over. His track record proves Ben is a stalker.
Then
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur23292618/boards/pm/?d=14451776;m=in
Notice this especially:
The people ("Linda") who emailed me tracked my location, ISPs, IPs etc from my emails and posted them on Ben's old blog thinking I was some partner in crime of his when all I was doing was refusing to believe their accusations about him.
Thanks to them, he was able to cross his trolling over into my real life and contacted my workplace and landlord trying to get me in trouble
I told unbetty that she was incorrect about Linda. Linda did NOT post any ISP or anything to Ben's blogs or any blogs. All her information was already out there. It was unbetter under the name of Johnny on the Spot who posted Linda's email address and whatever info she could obtain on Linda on Ben's blogs! In this case Linda was avenged because you guys posted unbetty's info in retaliation since she showed herself to be Ben's little helper after all. And please note this little line: when all I was doing was refusing to believe their accusations about him. Wow. Linda wasn't accusing anyone of something that she herself could not prove. Perhaps this unbetty thinks that we're all imagining things like having our forums invaded, trolled and spammed. Hacking attempts and DoS attacks that she, as a moderator, could prove as she would have access to the flood of IP ranges that disabled the site more than once.
And this is just the tip of the iceberg.
But of course Ben doesn't have help from any hackers or troublemakers. He's totally doing this through voodoo or something. Sure.
When I explained that Linda was not the guilty party of sharing ISPs and calling people's work places, etc
I read this
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur23292618/boards/pm/?d=14451791;m=in
This reply started to get odd and I explained to unbetty what I knew from my end of things. That proof would still rely on word and contacts. Links and screen captures. Content from shared emails. Posts, etc.
Then ends this one with "if you want him gone, you'll have to share with me everything you know" which is what I was in the process of doing. Sharing what I knew. But her last sentence already draws a line in the sand and starts to sound stand-offish. I really could not understand this attitude because I was being co-operative and compliant in sharing what I indeed did know.
I explained that I would share what all I knew from my end. It was at this point I gave her some contacts I have so that she could speak with them personally. Namely the fellow I and most of our circles are talking with in regards to Hack Forums.
Then this
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur23292618/boards/pm/?d=14451813;m=in
Contradicting what she requested in her previous letter to me, asking me to provide "everything I know" and giving her contact info to check out for herself, she sends me this note. Basically telling me that she will not investigate or bother to look into what evidence can be provided by folks who would have more at their disposal of Ben's activities in other sites. I will also note here that this is what she was basing her whole "your info didn't pan out" bullcrap. If my info didn't pan out, that would mean someone, somewhere did not comply to any questions she would wish to put to them. What unbetty wanted was for someone to hold her hand and do all the work for her but it was unclear what work she wanted done. She wanted all this info but didn't want to look into it. WTF is that all about? She made sure to imply, again, that my own personal testimony wasn't good enough. Why on earth would I lie about anything? I have no runner in the race. I have nothing to gain from any of this!
But I go ahead and let Linda know that unbetty is sorry. Then I get this.
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur23292618/boards/pm/?d=14451846;m=in
So here we have the "keep in touch" and "share whatever info you have" and that she has or knows folks with an "IN" with the admins at Imdb. It is made clear that unbetty is running this Ben show. Here we have this claim right there. Yet what there is, according to the hackers from the Dark Site is that Ben has an unlimited amount of ips, phone numbers and the wherewithall to defeat any bans placed upon him. But unbetty is somehow able to get him disabled everyday while they spin their little admin wheels wondering how he's able to break through their line of defense every time. Well, they need to look no further than unbetty herself as she has an "IN" with the admins. Clearly the suspicions of numerous folks who had voiced this very idea and were shut down, silenced and harassed for even thinking it started to make sense!
This was an inside job after all!
But back to the conversation.
So I am sending all the links I can find that I have saved on anything to do with Ben and the folks who are actively trying to shut Ben down. I send unbetty a link to the google help pages.
This followed
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur23292618/boards/pm/?d=14451854;m=in
Yes Ben is getting credit for things he isn't capable of. I had previously explained this to her. That hackers from Hack Forums was helping him. That's when she sent me that note saying that she didn't believe it.
This came next after I sent her more contact info for the folks who had records of Ben's proxy sites that he uses.
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur23292618/boards/pm/?d=14451866;m=in
So I send the few links to other users on Imdb that I have and those whom I suspect are helping Ben. Mind you I only sent their links to their profiles. I never asked her to go after anyone or accuse them of anything. Just that I had these links and this is what I'm seeing in front of me and comparing them to the letters and posts I have access to and am seeing on my end. Unbettt goes right to one of the suspected socks and stirs up shit with him resulting in my being threatened.
Note: I suspect a good many things. That I won't deny. But in this case, maybe the name was just a co-incidence. Tristan of Imdb may not be the same Tristan who is actively doxxing folks and posting the info on Hack Forums to be copied and to appear on Ben's bloggers.
So again AFTER giving her links to some profiles of a couple of Ben's victims as well as suspected co-horts, unbetty sends me this
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur23292618/boards/pm/?d=14451875;m=in
Just send proof, she keeps repeating when she is given what she specifically asked for. Which was some links to people on Imdb! I just gave her exactly what she requested after she stated she would not email anyone outside of the site. So I complied with that. This was still not good enough. I had also given the info regarding a strange troll named gwnyc. This was a minor incident and Chris was the only one who was contacted by that user. He was insulted by gwnyc for complimenting a film maker for his work.
Another request
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur23292618/boards/pm/?d=14451898;m=in
I complied with her request. I asked Christian to give me the details of how he came across this gwnyc person. It was fully explained and I passed along his message to unbetty. He also wanted to know if she would like to talk to him as I had mentioned that unbetty had told me that she had an "IN" with the admins and that she was able to get them to read and understand her help desk notes. Something which nobody else is able to do. And when there is any sliver of comprehension by them, they turn ugly and get irate and start accusing folks left and right of being each other. I know, it's astounding. One member was confused with Christian but when they realized it wasn't him, they refused to fix the mistake or even OWN UP TO IT! Yes, I am outraged.
Anyway, unbetty.
In that note she's I really appreciate your patience while I work on developing trust for you. If and when that happens, I'll explain why and you'll understand
This is when it got weird. I thought she was going to look into the info and contacts I had given her. At the very least try to find out how Ben is working around the sites and who might be helping him at the very sites he's been trolling. Namely Imdb. So I breathe a sigh of relief, because I really had no idea where this conversation was going.
I hear back from the one contact from Hack Forums about Ben's location in the USA.
I get this
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur23292618/boards/pm/?d=14452170;m=in
It's like, damned if you do and damned if you don't! I send not only the dox on Ben that you folks have gotten a hold of, I even went the extra mile to obtain a screen capture of the very page from a database showing this info. But that's not good enough because he made a video, and posted it. However on Hack Forums, the video is older and was posted about two years ago. I explain that he could have had pictures and videos for years and then uploaded them with timestamps that would show a more current time. That does not mean the content itself is new. Just the release of that content. It's really a simple riddle to solve.
And the dox is a real residence. Not a business. It even states an apartment number.
Yet unbetty states that he "supposedly" lives in Pakistan, which shows she has some doubt to that.
Then
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur23292618/boards/pm/?d=14453151;m=in
By this time I'm thinking, is this person for real?
But because I have been more than patient, I sent a few copy and pasted content from the forum Ben had trolled just like she had asked me to do. Then she actually COMPLAINS about it!
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur23292618/boards/pm/?d=14453195;m=in
Now I was WTF is wrong with this person!???!
Asking me several times already to provide copy and paste and I will QUOTE her:
Get as much info from those effected as possible - their experiences and c+p it to me
In the message at this link:
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur23292618/boards/pm/?d=14451898;m=in
THIS was what she asked me for! When I provided as much she spins again. See the screen capture 9th down in the line here.
Now it's I can't just take your word and c+ps. I need real evidence. so unbetty is shifting from one personality to the next. Needing "real" evidence" like what, I don't know. A call from the FBI? Her mother? God? God of Trolls? I was now starting to see how the admins interact with folks. That they cannot be reasoned with if this was the basis they handled any incoming testimonies from members. That this back and forth, roller coaster ride of not being able to dodge out of the way when bullets come flying at you, and you're left wondering what just happened. Unbetty is obviously a sociopath. The manipulation I felt her doing to me was really making me regret reaching out to this person because I had no idea. The back and forth and Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde personalities of this unbetty was just too much.
So I just let her know that I really don't want any involvement with whoever this gwnyc person is. I was entertaining the idea of asking more info on that but decided against it.
Then
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur23292618/boards/pm/?d=14453226;m=in
Here unbetty tells me more about gwnyc. Saying she is obsessive but in the same breath she explains she doxxed gwnyc and tells me about the life and times of gwnyc. In this letter you can see how unbetty is literally expecting me to buy everything she is telling ME about this gwnyc! Unbetty is asking me to believe her while manipulating me that I cannot be believed because I'm me and apparently I don't count. Just her. In her little world.
I don't care one way or the other about this particular situation because gwnyc never crossed paths with me. Likewise Tristan never crossed paths with me. Tristan of the Imdb site could have just been left alone, I just asked him one short question in the past. That was not answered. I let it go. Unbetty, not a chance! Drama was to be had and like she had done to Linda with gettinng Ben to send her THREATS, she did to me by getting Tristan to threaten me.
In hindsight, both Chris and I agreed in private emails that we are certainly glad that we never really looked into this gwnyc and now I was really regretting being trusting enough to reach out to someone I thought wanted an end to Ben.
All she can do is appeal to the admins here to get accounts disabled because she has really great writing skills. That's the same way I got my "in" with them
It would be nice if the admins would actually let folks "IN" with them who are normal, albeit a bit bewildered and haggard, to talk with them instead of letting this sociopath call all the shots. Unbetty, the helper of Ben as Linda had thought, has been feeding them one story, acting another part and behind their backs giving Ben people's emails, info and everything she had just taken from me. To be exploited by Ben. I expect she will have Ben post about me. That is inevitable. So I'm writing this to Jewish Guy here to be posted as a My Side of the Story.
So the next day I go back and look into that soapbox board. I message unbetty asking her if the account called MartaKalasReeves was Ben. I was sent the following and the words really came out of nowhere.
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur23292618/boards/pm/?d=14454469;m=in
Not only is her letter totally uncalled for, but it's untruthful. I have not received one request from unbetty to not contact her. I had no idea she was about to unleash that. She has been asking me to send her copy and pastes, links and any info I had that I, myself, have. I have complied with every request she asked of me. And all the more she was becoming someone I wanted to run from. I felt like that fellow in the movie Misery and that she was like Annie Wilkes. I started to see myself in this in cyberspace. In short she scares the shit outta me. It's Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde.
My Hack Forums turncoat told me that she's probably slamming alcohol and drugs and you can't reason with people like that. I felt like I was just hit with a club for no apparent reason. I couldn't understand it. Does talking to folks at Imdb just automatically mean being abused? Sociopaths are very manipulative. Unbetty is some sort of control freak and her droning on about how she knows Ben better than Ben himself, her own two eyes and whatever delusional drama she's imagining Ben's life is like, and where he lives, this just clinched it for me. Also, she stated she didn't read anything I sent. SO that explains why she didn't comprehend the evidence I was providing. Deny, deny, deny and then she can say I wasn't doing it right or that whatever I gave wasn't good enough.
Next thing I know*
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2488496/board/nest/256416881?p=2&d=258628718#258628718
I make it clear what has transpired in as short of space possible.*
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2488496/board/nest/256416881?p=2&d=258635446#258635446
*Note; The thread in question has been edited and Tristan and Zzyzx removed their posts. Unbetty removed hers prior to that.
There is where I am threatened by the person I gave the link of. Someone I suspected of being the same Tristan that is on Hack Forums. The Tristan that is a very skilled hacker and has doxxed many, many folks through a decade of accessing information databases. Almost as good as Doxbin, just not as notorious.
So I address things there.
Then unbetty who stated she didn't want me talking to her sends me this
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur23292618/boards/pm/?d=14454775;m=in
Naturally I cannot view MY end of the conversation since it disappeared from my outbox. I think she reported my letters. But I have saved all of my inbox and links to the letters I received. So at least I have that. Unbetty had also removed her post from the Haiku thread. I will follow suit when I have time as this has taken me all day to draw up and copy and screenshot. I want to save what I posted since I know I am telling the truth and want to show that I had addressed the minor threat to me by Tristan. I just feel that unbetty's drama doesn't belong there. Wishing now that I had known then what I know now.
Now, after stating she didn't read anything I wrote and told me to not contact her again, she sent me this
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur23292618/boards/pm/?d=14454903;m=in
Her perspective? All she does here is continue to accuse both me and Linda of things that sounds more like the paranoia she's trying to make me wear. The only content here is just more of the insults she started waging at me after I gave her the info she asked me for and then went into this act that I wasn't doing it right or that none of it was good enough.
I'll address this bit though because it's so over the top.
3. I stop believing "Linda" and tell her as much. a few minutes later, all my personal information including work and home computer IPs/names show up on a blog with threats to not mess with Hack Forums "We are legion". The only way they could have gotten my info is through that email I sent to Linda because it contained my IP address but I didn't know it at the time.
So again she's back to blaming Linda for sharing an email with all our circles and thinks we're the "Legion" of the Hack Forums folks. But there's just so many things wrong and totally inaccurate with her claims. Let's check this out okie doke?
- Linda received the whirlwind of craziness from Betty's fake email Johnny on the Spot around the time of Apr 23rd to 25th, 2016 yet the blog in question has a date of April 26, a whole day later of Betty's IP and other info showing up on any blog. Hardly "within minutes" of Betty's turning into Mr Hyde to Linda.
- Linda was already receiving threats from Ben himself that Betty herself was gloating about. Betty also sent Linda the same screenshots of their personal conversation and bragged about giving it straight to Ben and within minutes of THAT Linda's info was posted to Ben blogs and people on Imdb were commenting about killing Linda. Betty is seen on Ben's blogs further attacking Linda.
- These hackers ALREADY had Betty's damned info. Linda was just a catalyst of this event. But Linda had nothing to do with it. Today Linda is STILL paying the price for passing along the news that Ben's former blogger was removed. No good deed goes unpunished as they say.
It's gotta be some kind of record of sociopaths who complain about online threats to themselves when she went out of her way to see to it that Linda was threatened, plastered on a troll's blog and then accused of telling far-fetched stories when everything we have been witnessing, experiencing is well documented. Linda only knew this Betty by the link that was posted at Imdb's get-satisfied site about Ben. This Betty offered her help and freely gave out an email address asking folks to contact her regarding Ben. Wish I had KNOWN this was the same person that I had unwittingly contacted just a few days ago!
In my email, I was not going as Betty.
Yeah. The socks, the socks, the socks. And yet she's the one with the "IN" with the admins! Makes sense.
Then the last pm by unbetty/Betty/Johnny on the Spot.
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur23292618/boards/pm/?d=14454920;m=in
Well nasty is what I expected now from here on out. I don't expect this person, this sociopath bully to change back to Dr Jekyll. But even so, I know better now.
I'd like to address this one last note because it reflects so much of the deception this person is very skilled at performing but then the house of cards she's made just falls apart when you know you've been trolled.
I don't know you and have yet to trust you so I'm not about to tell you all the stuff I know or how I know you and "Linda" are full etc
The above was said to me many times and you'd think with all this devastating "proof" that she has about Ben that she'd just tell and be done with it. But no, it's all top secret and stuff. Gotta be vague and take her word for it that whatever she "knows" or thinks she knows it's just gonna blow all our minds!
She's literally repeated it many times that she "knows" things about him and that she can't share those things because.... reasons. Well I'm sure it would just knock all our hats off with such hurricane force! Bitch, please. I'd sure like to see her "proof" that we're so full of it when we can back up everything we've stated and shared. Ben's blogs kinda nailed her own coffin shut and Linda keeps emails. That's just the tip of the iceberg too. We can back up history of emails received, forging, attempted break-ins. Actual break-ins. You name it.
I know Ben better than anyone on this board, including himself. Secret secret. Can't tell you. Hush hush...
In otherwords she's got nothing. Just blah blah blah.
That's her answer to everything. Deny, accuse, throw up everything against the wall and hope something sticks. Well unbetty/Betty we're not buying anything you say! We think you're full of shit. And we'd be right.
I know I'm not the first person you've contacted I'm just the first one to humor you long enough for you to get your story out.
The only other person I contacted was a contributor to pass along an email address for Chris. That person is NOT on the soapbox. Unfortunately, I contacted the wrong person to ask about this Ben when I opted to ask unbetty about Ben. Unbetty seems more for him than against. I know this was her ploy to make me feel paranoid that some people were whispering around that I said something to them somewhere but that's just not the case. Tristan I literally sent one single question to. It was probably three or four words long. I mentioned nobody's names or even breathed a word about Ben Caesar. So no story was being told to anyone.
You really have no idea what's going on here if you think I'm not crazy
No, I believe you are crazy. That's probably the only truth you've uttered.
Ben is also in the U.S. I think you're far more obsessed with him than he is with being a troll. You both need therapy.
Well said Zzyzx!
I'd like to add a bit to this as I edit through your submissions. I found this gave me a good laugh after reading about your experiences. It seems you and Linda aren't the only ones who have encountered Betty before.
But then, being you and your penchant for high drama, I get your reaction.
And I'd personally like to address a few things myself.
Linda mistook me for someone who was helping Ben when I am actually doing everything within my power to get him reported to the proper authorities in his country.
Really? Because that's NOT what she was telling Linda! Quite the opposite in fact. Now she's back to her report him to the police? This is a back and forth like you say, Zzyzx! Holy fuckwitz!
I and others are very close but we can only get so close with the info we've gathered on him from IMDb.
Does IMDb just breed retards? Seriously she's just gathering all the info on Ben via IMDb? It never actually dawns on her that she'd have a million times the info if she were on Hack Forums! What a sad little excuse of a cowgirl in cow dung being all "Whuur's ma boyfriend Ben?"
Thanks for your submission. This will live on in the Chronicles of Hackdom Lounge Drama. I hope you don't mind but I've posted this over there too. As well as shared it with several other bloggers. It makes good copy.
